About Y-DNA
(And how we use it in Taylor Family Genes)

Y-DNA has become a powerful genealogical tool to identify male ancestors in
common with others.
It is a valuable supplement to traditional documentary
genealogy; it is not a substitute for it.
Other Resources
Read this excellent
DNA 101 by
John Blair for an in-depth discussion of the science. Also, Dr. Bruce
Walsh's
explanation of the math.
All males -- and only males -- have a Y chromosome; the
dioxy-ribonucleic acid (DNA) in the
Y chromosome is called Y-DNA. It is passed down, from fathers to their sons, almost always without change
for many generations.
Comparing the Y-DNA of two males can say whether they share a common male
ancestor, abbreviated CMA, and yield a probability estimate for the number
of generations to the CMA. Comparing the Y-DNA of one man to a database of
samples collected from throughout the world can shed some light on the
ethnic & geographic origins of very distant paternal ancestors.
However, Y-DNA follows only the direct & unbroken paternal
line. It says nothing about female ancestors. Imagine a pedigree chart,
where fathers are represented above mothers: Y-DNA traces the top line of
the chart.
The testing process is user-friendly. Swab the inside of your cheek with
a brush-like device or Q-tip provided by the testing company to get a sample; this collects
skin cells from inside your mouth. Place the swab brush in the sterile
container provided and mail it back to the testing company's laboratory in
the mailing container also provided.
In a few weeks, the laboratory will have done its highly-technical thing, analyzed the Y-DNA & notified you of the results.
Can women test?
Women do not have a Y-chromosome, but they have fathers, brothers and uncles who do.
They can purchase a kit and collect a sample from one of the men, then
submit it under their name. When DNA submitted is not the "kit owner's",
it will represent the sample donor, not necessarily the owner.
Members & prospective members often ask us how many markers members should order tested. Cost is a consideration, because the panels with more
STR markers cost more than
the minimum
12-marker panel.
What is the recommended minimum?
We recommend that -- due to the commonness of the Taylor surname -- 37
Y-DNA markers is the minimum to order. For us Taylors, the lowest-cost
12-marker panel is false economy because an upgrade (at more cost) will
usually be needed to "rule in" a common paternal ancestor. A perfect 12/12 match
contains insufficient information for reliable interpretation.
If your only interest is to "rule out" a relationship, a
12-marker test may be sufficient. Disagreement on two or more of the
markers indicates the test subjects do not share a paternal ancestor
within genealogic time.
The 12-marker test will elicit many "false positives" -- others who
match on the 12 tested, but would not match if more markers could be compared.
We recommend against the 12-marker test for the Taylor surname.
37 markers recommended
The 37 marker test includes a balanced panel of thirty-seven Y-chromosome Short Tandem Repeat
(STR) markers. This is the minimum test we recommend to trace the paternal ancestry of males for genealogy
purposes. The additional markers from 26-37 refine the predicted time period in which two
individuals are related and eliminate unrelated matches. A perfect match at thirty-seven markers
(37/37) indicates the two individuals share common ancestry in recent times.
67 and 111 markers
The 67-marker further refines the time/probability window as to the most recent common ancestor.
The interpretation is even better for a match of 67 out of 67 markers! A newly-available 111 marker test can be helpful in two ways:
- For those with common haplotypes, it can reduce the number of matches to a reasonable number for follow-up; and
- For those sharing high-quality matches, it is an assist in triangulation.
However, the FTDNA TiP tool may be even more helpful -- even at 37 markers
-- in choosing which of your matches deserve priority. (The TiP icon shows beside
the name of each match.) Use TiP to calculate the cumulative probabilities
at each generation for the most recent common ancestor. Record the
generations numbers where the probability reaches 90% (or some other
percent). Those with the lowest generation numbers are more recently related to you.
Or, record the 8-generation probability; those with the highest numbers are
more likely related.
FTDNA -- more than other genetic genealogy providers -- sponsors surname,
geographical and other
types of projects for customers' benefit. These projects have advantages for
members who join them, including:
- Reduced cost of testing: Ordering tests through a project usually costs
less than ordering separately.
- Support network: Projects have administrators or coordinators --
sometimes teams of them -- to support members in finding and interpreting matches,
long after the test has been completed.
- Other Services: The project may provide a variety of services which
the company could not afford.
The Taylor Surname Project
Our project (Taylor Family Genes) is for the Taylor surname and
variations of it. The project provides an unusually wide range of services to its members.
- We find matches within the Project and group them; this helps
members find common ancestors.
- We collect and publish members' ancestral trees, to aid members in finding CMAs.
- We publish a
newsletter, in the form
of a blog, with articles about
developments in DNA, genealogy and other topics of interest to members.
- This website, for example, is sponsored by the administrative team of the Taylor Family Genes
Project of FTDNA.
- We also maintain
another website on the FTDNA server.
You'll receive a certificate of the results and a and report describing
the testing process. For STR testing (the most
commonly used), the certificate will have a list of Y-chromosome marker names and
each marker's corresponding allele value.
"Marker" (see the glossary) is a
term with different meanings in DNA. Here, we use it to mean a place
or locus on the Y-Chromosome.
How long that list of markers & values is depends on the level of test you
paid for. We recommend at least 37 markers for reasons above.
But, the results mean nothing in isolation from others' results; they
must be compared to something to draw any conclusions. We call that process
of comparison and drawing conclusions "interpretation".
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The goal of Y-DNA testing is to find a match which indicates a common
ancestor within the genealogical time frame, i.e., less than 800 years ago.
What is a "match"?
A "match" exists when two (or more) men's Y-DNA agree sufficiently on the
STR allele counts for the markers tested in common to suggest that they share a common paternal ancestor. The quality of
matches is described by any of these methods:
- "35/37": The number of markers in agreement divided by the markers tested in common.
It is expressed as a fraction, e.g., "35/37" means that 35 of the 37
markers tested in common agree and 2 do not.
- "2/37":The number of mismatching markers divided by the number of
markers compared, e.g., "2/37" means that two markers disagree and
35 agree
- "2:37": The genetic distance, followed by a colon and the number of markers compared, e.g.,
"2:37" means that the sum of absolute differences across 37
markers is 2.
In general, the more markers that agree and the lower the genetic distance, the more likely it is that two men
share a common paternal ancestor and the more likely that this ancestor is more
recent.
What is Genetic Distance?
OK, genetic distance (abbreviated "GD") is a little complicated to
explain. Start with the concept that most markers are thought to
mutate only one allele
(step) at a time. So for most markers, genetic distance is simply the sum of the
absolute differences between the markers compared. Except: Some
markers are capable of
changing more than one step at a time; for these
markers, any difference contributes a genetic distance of one (1).
| Genetic Distance Illustration |
| Name |
DYS 393 |
DYS 390 |
DYS 19 |
DYS 391 |
DYS 385a |
DYS 385b |
DYS 426 |
DYS 388 |
DYS 439 |
DYS 389i |
DYS 392 |
DYS 389ii |
Σ GD |
| Al |
13 |
22 |
14 |
10 |
12 |
14 |
11 |
14 |
11 |
12 |
11 |
27 |
- |
| Bob |
13 |
22 |
14 |
10 |
12 |
14 |
11 |
14 |
10 |
12 |
11 |
29 |
Genetic
Distance |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
3 |
Note that, in this simplified illustration, Al and Bob match on 10
of the 12 markers; they have a difference of 1 at one markers and a
difference of 2 on another. The total genetic distance between them is 3,
for a 3:12 match.
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Types of Matches
Two types of matches are of interest to us:
- Reported matches -- Matches that are reported by FTDNA. More than
90% of project members have some matches reported by FTDNA.
- Genealogically significant matches -- Matches which indicate a common
paternal ancestor within genealogic time.
Reported matches
FTDNA selects only certain matches to report, based on the number of markers compared and the
total genetic distance; it will not report matches for which genetic distance exceeds its thresholds.
The FTDNA reporting thresholds are:
- 12 markers -- GD <= 1
- 25 markers -- GD <= 2
- 37 markers -- GD <= 4
- 67 markers -- GD <= 7
- 111 markers -- GD <=11
In our experience, these reporting thresholds are typically generous. They report matches well beyond
genealogical significance.
There are, however, certain (rare) types of mutation
events which can produce genetic distances large enough to throw the system
off-kilter.Check with a member of the admin team if you think one of
these applies to you.
Significant matches
We believe that knowing you may share an ancestor with another
person is not much value if that ancestor can not be identified by name,
dates, places and other characteristics -- all the stuff that's expected of
genealogy. Therefore, we distinguish the best quality of reported matches as genealogically
significant.
Exact Matches
An exact match, where all markers agree and genetic distance is zero, is
a special case of a significant match. Exact matches across 12 markers are
not considered significant, but may be significant for 25 markers and is
significant for 37 or or more.
Project Criteria for Genealogical Significance
The overall criterion for declaring a genealogically significant match within Taylor Family Genes is this:
Y-DNA indicates a high probability of sharing a common male ancestor who lived
since 1350 AD*.
This plain-English statement relates the DNA evidence to genealogy and is then translated into quantitative criteria, based on the number of markers compared and the number which
agree (or the genetic distance):
- 12 markers -- None qualify. Even for a 12/12 match, the CMA may be thousands
of years in the past.
- 25 markers -- => 25/25, equivalent to a genetic distance of 0 or less for 25
markers (<1:25).
- 37 markers -- => 35/37, equivalent to a genetic distance of 2 or less for 37
markers (<2:37).
- 67 markers -- => 62/67, equivalent to a genetic distance of 5 for
67 markers (<5:67).
- 111 markers -- We have not yet developed a standard for 111 markers.
Please note that these criteria are more restrictive than those used by
FTDNA to report matches within its total database, nor are they
dependent on surnames matching. Also note that they
are more restrictive than past project criteria; some older groups were
formed under looser criteria but have not been "revoked". We
encourage those with 12- and 25-marker matches to upgrade their testing
levels in order to benefit from the higher precision of the 37-marker
and 67-marker tests.
* The year 1350 AD represents the usual earliest beginning of the
Genealogic Time Frame in
England, a time period for which it is possible to identify
ancestors by name, date, place and other characteristics. For specific
families, the genealogic time frame may extend further into the past.
For others, it may be more recent.
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Notification
When another person shows identical or close results within
the FTDNA database and if both parties have signed the Family Tree DNA
Release, then FTDNA will inform both members of the match. If the match is for 25 or more markers, your e-mail message will look something
like this:
From: info@familytreedna.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:53 PM
To: member@domain..net
Subject: Family Tree DNA Kit# 999999 Y-DNA25 Test Match
A 25 marker match has been found between you and another person in the Family Tree DNA database!
You and the other person(s) have matched in 23, 24 or 25 loci. If you share the same surname or variant,
this means that there is a 99% likelihood that you share a common ancestor in a genealogical time frame. If you
match another person without the same surname or variant, you still probably share a common ancestor, but this
ancestor may have lived in the time before surnames were adopted.
The link below will take you to your Family Tree DNA Login. From there you can see a list of your
matches. Newer matches will be at the top of the list. Additional emails will be sent to you as we find new
matches between you and your "genetic cousins."
Follow the link below and type in your Kit Number and Password to access your personal page
http://www.familytreedna.com/Login.aspx
Your Kit Number is 999999
Your Password is X9999
If you have not done so, please remember to add your results to Ysearch.org, the FTDNA-sponsored public
database. Click on the Y-DNA Matches tab to see an explanation and a link for the upload.
Family Tree DNA
http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com
info@familytreedna.com
The world's first and largest Genetic Genealogy organization
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If you are a Taylor Family Genes member, the TFG administrator will get a
notice looking like this:
From: info@familytreedna.com
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:01 PM
To: admin@domain.net
Subject: Taylor Project Member has a Family Tree DNA Y-DNA25 Match
A Y-DNA25 match has been found between Kit 999999, Firstname Middlename Surname, a member of your FTDNA Group
Taylor, and another person(s) in the Family Tree DNA database. He and the other person(s) have matched in 23,
24 or 25 loci, which means there is a 99% likelihood they share a common ancestor.
Please direct your member to the link "Understanding your results" at your personal page, where he will find
an explanation about the significance of matches. Also, please remind him to add his results to www.Ysearch.org,
the FTDNA sponsored public database. When going to the Y-DNA Matches tab and he will see an explanation and a
link for the upload.
Follow the link below to access your Family Tree DNA Group Administrator's page.
Your Kit Number is {Admin #}
http://www.familytreedna.com/login.aspx
http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com
"History Unearthed Daily"
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You may notice that neither message identifies the party to whom you match. For that information,
you need to log into your personal page at
Family Tree
DNA. Input your kit # and password (both in your message) and when you
reach "My FTDNA", click any of the "Y-DNA Matches" links. The website will
generate a list of matches according to the specifications you've set. (You
may have chosen not to see 12-marker matches or matches outside the Taylor
surname. We recommend the first, but not the second.)
The project administration team may send you a follow-up to the FTDNA notice.
It will describe the match and its genealogical significance. It may recommend
action you can take to improve the meaning.
Can I improve my chances for finding a match?
Yes. You should post your results to a free, open & searchable Y-DNA
database such as Ysearch
and Ybase.
Ysearch, with
70,000 haplotypes in its database, is sponsored by FTDNA, but accepts
results from all testing companies. Ybase, with 15,300 haplotypes, is
sponsored by
DNA Heritage and also accepts all results..
We've published a Ysearch page on this
site to help people upload to it and use it.
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In-project vs. Out-of project Matches
Your match may or may not be a member of the project. If two or more
project members have a significant match, we'll assign them to a "matched
group", for a common paternal ancestor. There is more about this on our
Groups page.
If your match is with a person who is not a project member, we can not
assign them (or you) to a Taylor matched group. Most project members have at
least some matches with person outside the project.
I have no matches. Is my DNA rare?
About 8% of our project's members have no matches reported The answer is yes
to "rare DNA" much less often than the question comes up. Before
coming to that conclusion:
- Make sure you're comparing against the >200,000 in the FTDNA database and not just the
~400 in the Taylor project.
- Make sure you're not looking only for your own surname. More than half
of Taylor project members have matches with other surnames; some are
highly significant. See our page on NPE.
- Look to see if you have a "WAMH" or "Niall" designation for your
haplotype. If so, at least the first 12 markers of your haplotype are among
the most common found.
- Look for a "null value" (i.e., = zero) in your results; these tend to
confuse the match-reporting system.
- If your haplogroup is R1b,
look at this page; it depicts the distribution of marker values for the
most common haplogroup in the project.
Most often, it turns out that it isn't one marker with one big difference
from the most frequent value. It's several markers with small differences.
Interpreting the specific meaning of a match can become complex because
`it relies on probabilities. While probabilities are widely used in science, many
people are uncomfortable with probabilistic statements. We need them because
DNA mutations are random events and can not be predicted in absolute terms.
Purpose
The purpose of Y-DNA match interpretation is to decide whether a found match is worth
pursuing. Does it warrant the hard, slogging documentary research needed to
identify the CMA by name, dates, places and other specifics?
Transmission events (TE)
We usually do not know the Y-DNA of the common male ancestor (CMA) in a match.
We only know the similarities and differences between samples of two living
Y-DNA donors. As we work back through the diverging lines to the CMA, we need
to consider the possibility of mutations in either or both lines.
A transmission event (TE) occurs when a parent passes DNA to a child and the
DNA has the opportunity to change. Transmission events are the spaces between
generations and we need to account for the TE in both lines. Within the same
time window there will be two sets of TE, one for each line.

The diagram depicts the transmission events in two lines diverging from a
CMA. The total number of TE in this example are 12 (7+5). The two donors are
separated by 12 TE.
Think of transmission events as all the generations in one donor's line from
the CMA plus all the generations in the other donor's line from the same
CMA minus the two donors' generation. It's similar to the "degrees of
separation" game.
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Probabilities
Probability has no "sure things"; words like chance & odds permeate
throughout. The type of probabilities we look for are are "cumulative"; they
represent the chances of sharing a CMA within a specified number of
transmission events. Here are typical graphs for 37 & 67 markers. Click the
graphs to see larger versions.
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| For a 37/37 (0:37) match, chances of the donors being separated by no more
than10 TE are ~80%. |
For a 67/67 (0:67) match, chances of the donors being separated by no more than 10
TE are ~90%. |
Alternative approaches
Different people relate to information in different ways. Some absorb it
one way; others another way. Therefore, we present different
approaches, all based on the same underlying principles that similarity
of haplotypes indicate a common ancestor and the degree of similarity the
number of generations separating the two sample donors :
Simplified Probability:
This approach shows a specific time window and
simplified probability categories.
It answers the question of how likely it is that an observed match
indicates a CMA within time windows of 500 years.
750 years or 250 years. Click
here.
TMRCA Calculators:
- FTDNA TiP: This method -- probably the most advanced tool now
available -- can be accessed from your FTDNA
personal page after searching for and finding matches. (Links will vary
for each user.) TiP uses individual mutation rates for each marker and
combines the "stepwise" and "infinite alleles" models in the way
appropriate to particular markers. To read about its workings,
click here.
- McDonald calculator: This approach calculates the
probabilities of an observed match indicating a CMA within listed TE.
Click here. It is based on an infinite
alleles model and uses average mutation rates across all markers.
-
Y-utility: A sophisticated online calculator.
Click here.
-
Nordvedt Method: Ken Nordvedt has developed a simple formula:
Prob(G) = 2M * e^(-2MG), where G = number of generations of concern,
M = total mutation rates of all compared markers, e is the base of
natural logarithms (~ 2.718) & MG = marker variances (differences)..
This method fits nicely into an Excel spreadsheet, but we're not sure of
it.
Math & Theory:
Some want to look under the hood and see what's going on. This page is for them.
Click here. (Note: Incomplete)
Flow chart:
Some might appreciate a decision-making flow chart approach.
We present one here. (Note: Incomplete)
Other Questions:
For more information on probabilities for Y-DNA match interpretation,
e-mail Ralph with your question.
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Cautions
We should be cautious about the implied precision of the statistics for these reasons.
- Some of the underlying variables -- e.g., DNA mutation frequency &
variance -- may not
be well-established. The field is new and data is less robust then we'd
desire.
- Our time windows are short in terms of mutation cycles.
- The formulas we use are approximations. They involve simplifying
assumptions to keep the math manageable.
Despite these cautions, we believe the calculations are adequate to answer our underlying question:
"Is this match worth investing my time and effort?"
Triangulation
When matches exist in a group of three or -- preferably -- more it may be
possible to estimate the CMA's haplotype and use
differences from that estimated haplotype to determine specific branches with that family's
tree. This is a refinement on match interpretation which can only be employed for
matching groups of sufficient size.
Triangulation is a complex subject and it's discussed more thoroughly
on our "Triangulation" page
here.
When a high-quality match is found, your fun has just begun. You will want to contact the other party (&
he or she to contact you) to share information toward the goal of identifying the
common male ancestor. Perhaps, you both descend from different sons of the
same father.
You will want to ensure that your contact information is available to the
person with whom you match, so keep it current. In these days, e-mail addresses
are especially important. Most people will use e-mail primarily.
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Along with the DYS markers & allele values, FTDNA will report the predicted
haplogroup into which your
DNA falls; if it is unable to predict, its SNP Assurance
Program will
conduct additional testing to definitively establish the haplogroup. You may
also order analysis to specifically identify the haplogroup and its subclade.
A haplogroup identifies broad groups of different strains of Y-DNA --
main
branches on the human family tree. Because haplogroups are associated with particular places, this tells you something (e.g., ethnicity
& geographical origin) about your
distant paternal forebears who are otherwise lost in the mists of time before recorded
history. A haplogroup determination speaks to deep ancestry; it is less
useful within genealogic time.
A haplogroup designation starts with a capital letter, which may be
followed by alternating numbers and letters, e.g., "R1b1b2a4". Each number
and letter further refine the designation, but do not change those which
precede it. R1b1 and R1b2 both belong to the broader group, R1b.
Haplogroups are further discussed here.
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Due to technical difficulties and amount of content, we've moved this section to
a separate page. If the definitions
in the list do not display, click here.
Our project members have had genetic genealogy success stories to share. Here are a few
with the names deleted.
Am I really a Taylor?
- A man whose great-great-grandfather was adopted had a surname very
different from Taylor. Y-DNA testing revealed that he matched exactly
with a group whose Taylor line was well-documented.
- Family legend said a great-great-grandfather was a son of a
particular Taylor,
but no records could be found to support it. The county courthouse had
been burned, destroying all records, and the religion didn't keep
marriage or christening records. A Y-DNA test showed that he & three other descendants of the
3rd-great-grandfather matched on 26 of 26 markers. (Subsequent tests
also showed high match quality with more descendants in the line.) They all shared a
common male ancestor, erasing the doubt about being a "real" Taylor.
Which Taylor line is mine?
- One Taylor family seemed to move every generation or so, appearing
in new territories as each opened up for settlement. Their origins,
though, were unknown. A Y-DNA match plus other information led to identifying a
specific Taylor line in a specific county (& neighborhood). That knowledge led
back to the original immigrant ancestor and his origins in England.
- A father-son team had spent decades researching the origins of their
earliest known ancestor, but knew nothing before his 1773 arrival in
Rutherford Co., NC. Y-DNA testing led to contacts with other researchers who
had documented the ancestor's movements and the generations before him.
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Revised: 17 Dec 2012